Are We Sure THE INCREDIBLE HULK Is In The MCU? – Road to Infinity War PART 2

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As of May 2018, the Marvel Cinematic Universe is 10 years and 19 films old. In celebration, we’re talking about the deeper elements of the MCU, mostly film-by-film. We’ve already talked about how Iron Man is about finding truth, why Incredible Hulk might not be in the MCU, that Iron Man 2 is the true beginning of the MCU, how Thor does the work to make the Avengers great, why Steve Rogers was alone BEFORE he fell in the ice, why the Avengers weren’t the Avengers until they beat the tar out of each other, how Iron Man 3 exposes the hidden symbolism of Tony’s life, that no matter what the advertisements say, Marvel TV isn’t connected to the MCU, that Loki’s greatest illusion is Loki himself, that the Winter Soldier represents Steve’s darkest fear, how Peter Quill didn’t know who Star-Lord was, my crazy fan theory about the Infinity Stones creating Ultron, that Ant-Man is the unfortunate casualty of the greater MCU, and why Steve Rogers had to sacrifice the Avengers for the good of the world.

The Incredible Hulk

Last week we got to talk about Iron Man. That was a joy to write about. With that movie there were so many ways to approach the material that I almost had too much to talk about. It was like an Asgardian treasure room of narrative symbolism and well-executed performances.

But today we talk about The Incredible Hulk.

Wow. This film. I love Marvel movies… but I do not like this one. When people tell me that Thor: The Dark World is their least favorite MCU film, I ask them how recently they’ve watched this one.

I was hoping I would have a few articles in this series behind me before I had to say anything controversial, but (not unlike Bruce Banner defending himself from General Thaddeus “Thunderbolt” Ross), I am already backed into a corner and the only way out it land a few solid punches. Here we go!

So… I’m not convinced The Incredible Hulk is in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Are you still here? I know that sounds crazy. The Agents of SHIELD fans are probably already looking at me like I’m one of “those people.”

I don’t think it’s in the MCU. Or at least it’s not canon. (Canon is a fancy word for “accepted as a genuine part of the greater work”). I don’t think it’s that crazy when you look at the evidence.

First of all, almost none of the actors in this movie appear in any other MCU film. In fact, the first time anybody from this movie shows up again, it was eight years (or eleven movies) later when the Russo Brothers upgraded General Ross to Secretary of State Ross for Captain America: Civil War. From a narrative standpoint, I was genuinely surprised and it was a great callback. Too bad Banner wasn’t in the room.

And then it happened again. Even though it probably flew over the heads of the casual fans, it did happen a second time. I’m not convinced they didn’t accidentally stumble into a connection to Incredible Hulk purely by chance, but it did happen. Another actor from The Incredible Hulk showed up in the MCU nine years later.

Do you remember Mr. Harrington, the academic decathlon coach from Spider-Man: Homecoming? Well, that character is played by Martin Starr. Martin Starr, who was probably brought on due to his connection to screenwriter John Francis Daley, has a very brief part in Incredible Hulk. Do you remember when Bruce Banner bribes Lou Ferrigno with a pizza in order to get access to the Culver University computer lab? Well, during that whole interaction, there’s a quick shot of a guy holding up a slice of pizza. That guy was played by none other than Martin Starr.

Fun fact: in deleted scenes he was named “Amadeus Cho.” #itsnotconnected

Thrilling, I know.

Story-wise the connections are sparse too. There’s a quick line in The Avengers about the one time that the Hulk broke Harlem. In a particularly dark moment, Bruce confesses to his teammates that he attempted suicide and the Hulk took over and stopped him. One of those is referencing the finale of Incredible Hulk, the other is referencing a scene that didn’t even make the final cut of Incredible Hulk.

This movie made changes to the Hulk that got reversed as soon as possible too. In interviews, director Louis Letterier stated that his vision for the Hulk in this film was all-muscle and no body-fat. While that might sound like a cool idea on paper, the results leave the Hulk looking inhuman, weird, and perpetually clenched.

Hulk Want To Know Who Used Up TP

Bruce Banner’s trigger for hulking out was changed too. The references to anger setting the Hulk off were replaced with the all-inclusive heart rate trigger. I’m not sure what the thought behind that was. Maybe they felt it was more scientific? Maybe they felt the beeping was suspenseful?

Either way, once the character comes back, movie Hulk looks more like the one in the comics and the annoying heart rate monitor is replaced with a fashionable but understated wristwatch, ready to be destroyed at the first shade of green.

On the business side, this movie is also the last MCU film to have any involvement from the infamous Avi Arad. While we wouldn’t have the comic book movies we have today without his Spider-Man and X-Men work in the early 2000s, the MCU is in better hands now that Kevin Feige has the reins. And now that Disney has near complete control of Marvel properties, Universal (who holds the distribution rights to solo Hulk films) isn’t interested in working on Disney’s terms.

The Incredible Hulk ends up being this weird shoulder-mole of the MCU. It’s there. Every now and then you remember it exists, but you never get around to asking the doctor if it should be removed. It’s not cancerous, but it’s not like you would choose for it to be there. This movie just doesn’t quite belong.

While Iron Man was ahead of its time, Incredible Hulk plays like a remix of every action movie of the five years preceding it. The first act foot chase through urban Brazil would fit perfectly in a Bourne sequel or Taken copycat. Every actor’s forehead has the well-lit oily gleam of a Michael Bay movie. The dialogue is copy-and-paste predictable. I mean, the audience is forced to endure extended gags about how taxi drivers drive crazy. Breaking new ground, am I right? Simply by-the-numbers filmmaking.The only thing this film really had going for it was the CGI Hulk, and that didn’t age very well either.

I’m not bad, I’m just rendered that way.

In the end, this movie is just an average movie, and Marvel Studios seems allergic to average movies anymore. If Incredible Hulk came out now, it would be skewered by critics. Fans would cry foul of the plot holes when Betty decides to pawn her mother’s necklace instead of Bruce’s brand new Polar FT-series heart rate monitor or Betty’s Panasonic Lumix digital camera. (Available at Best Buy!)

Characters exist simply to service the dialogue of other characters who exist simply to service the dialogue  of other characters simply so we have an excuse for the Hulk to show up.

It’s just not enough. And I think Marvel knew it.

With Iron Man killing it at the box office two months before, Marvel Studios wanted to capitalize as much as possible but that doesn’t leave much time for reshoots. So what did they do? They rushed in as many visual references to Iron Man that they could get away with. That’s not just any old storage tank, that’s a STARK INDUSTRIES storage tank. That memo? It came from Nick Fury now! The doctor’s name on the serum they used to transform Emil Blonsky into Abomination? Make it “Dr. Reinstein” from the Captain America movie we might make. (Too bad they changed that one to Erskine for the actual movie).

They even brought in Robert Downey Jr to shoot the final moments of the film. Nevermind that the star of the movie doesn’t appear (and rumors were that Marvel didn’t want Edward Norton back).

Oh, and that quick after-credits scene? It ended up being the most memorable part of the movie and the final marketing push put Tony Stark front and center.

Marvel knew this movie didn’t matter before it ever came out, and has ignored it as much as possible ever since.

So you tell me, is The Incredible Hulk really in the MCU? Sound off in the Comments section below. I really want to know.

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14 thoughts on “Are We Sure THE INCREDIBLE HULK Is In The MCU? – Road to Infinity War PART 2

  1. You forget that Coulson and Stillwell mention Blonsky in “The Consultant” short, and having Hurt back as Ross in Civil War is a big indicator that they’re both in the same universe. From a BUSINESS sense, I can understand why Marvel wouldn’t want to acknowledge IH, since the ownership issues make any Universal Hulk film just a licensing deal for Marvel, but I think we an all agree that Feige and his team have found a great workaround to making any Hulk centric movie (i.e. – just make the title about someone else).

    1. The Consultant was fun. Thinking about the long game with Sitwell being a Hydra agent sheds a new light on that one.

      You’re right. I didn’t consider the One-Shots in this, but that brings the references total to 3.

  2. Having finally watched this film, I quite agree. I sincerely hope it keeps the title of worst MCU film, even if it feels only slightly more relevant than Ang Lee’s Hulk. Sure, The Dark World is very flawed film, but at least it has a few good – and even excellent – elements, and has genuine emotion and humour in bright patches. This film has nothing worth loving. Except General Ross. And hey, I do remember Pizza Guy! Had no idea he was in Homecoming. That’s pretty neat.

    This film just doesn’t want to have fun. Everything has to be so intense. Banner is intense, the Hulk is all muscle and no personality, Betty Ross loves him intensely and they do the King Kong so intensely even though there’s an inherent ridiculousness to whole concept. You put it perfectly (again).

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